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XBox 360: Clearing Up Misconceptions
After having seen all the talk and chest beating in the last few days I thought I’d put up a F.A.Q. like post that will clear up some of the more common misconceptions that people seem to have about the XBox 360.
XBOX LIVE
Will I be able to use Xbox LIVE if I don't have a hard drive?
You won't need a hard drive to enjoy all the benefits of Xbox Live Silver and Gold with the Core System, but you will at least need a Memory Unit in order to save your Gamer Profile. If you plan on downloading a lot of content (vehicles, maps, game trailers, demos, etc) you'll want to get a hard drive.
Will I be able to download content from Xbox Live without a hard drive?
Yes, with the 64MB MU you will be able to download content. However, gamers that choose to download lots of content will want to get a hard drive for capacity and flexibility.
Damn it, without a hard drive standard in every box developers won’t be making any downloadable content.
Wrong. If Wipeout Pure on the PSP can get downloadable content that fits on the standard pack-in 32MB memory card, then even “core” users with a 64MB card will be able to enjoy downloadable game content.
Why are they making me buy another Xbox Live subscription?
They aren’t. Even if you signup with LIVE the day before the 360 ships you’ll be able to transfer your account over for a 360 Gold Live membership.
Is XBox LIVE Marketplace just an excuse to nickel and dime us on stuff that should’ve been in the game anyway?
In the history of LIVE only a few games have been guilty of using XBox LIVE to unlock stuff already on the game disc (We’re looking at you Return to Castle Wolfeinstein.) But to think of Marketplace as just a place to buy micro-transaction stuff is wrong. The word “marketplace” is a poor way of saying “LIVE Download Center.”
Microsoft has already shown the ability to stream/download everything from music and game trailers; to the ability to download game demos. No more buying OXM at $9 bucks a pop whenever there’s a must-play demo on the disc. There’s even word that downloadable (with a fee) TV shows are planned.
What kind of XBox LIVE is included in both the “premium” and “core” packages?
Both come with free LIVE Silver accounts, which gets you full access to the Marketplace (and all game related downloadable content) and any special “free” multiplayer weekends when they arise. Also, BOTH packages come with a 30-day XBox LIVE Gold trial subscription which gets you everything Silver packs plus… all the multiplayer gaming your eyes can handle.
Can I enjoy XBox LIVE Arcade (which is built in) without a hard drive?
Yes, though you are limited in how many games you can buy/download.
THE HARD DRIVE
Developers won’t take advantage of the hard drive if it’s not standard!
Wrong. Developers such as Bethesda have already gone on record saying that while Oblivion doesn’t require a hard drive, “We would recommend you get one if you have the means […]” Expect many games to use the hard drive for caching files if it is detected, or quick checkpoint saves.
Why is the hard drive so expensive?
The hard drive accessory isn’t your ordinary hard drive, it’s actually a laptop drive which makes it easy to carry over to a friends house! Oh, and because Microsoft is trying to recoup some of the costs of other parts that are being given to you well below cost (like the 360’s videocard). The high price may also be a way to make the “premium” pack look like a great deal. In any case the higher price seems to be here to stay.
Without a hard drive I won’t be able to enjoy custom soundtracks!
Wrong. Custom soundtracks aren’t driven by the game but rather by the X360 OS. Using the system itself you can stream music off any USB compatible device (or a networked PC) and play said music with any game. A recent demonstration of Kameo was punctuated with the developer pressing the guide button and starting song off of his connected iPod.
Is there anything good about the hard drive being detachable?
Yes, now if you suffer a hard drive failure you can just swap out a new one without having to send in your whole system for a repair. If you want to take a saved game profile over to a friends house but don’t have a memory card you can just unhook the hard drive and put it in your pocket.
BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY
Will I be able to play XBox games on my new 360?
Yes, if you have a hard drive attached to your 360. Even though it doesn't ship with a hard drive, the "core" package can do BC if you attach a hard drive to it.
What games will be supported?
Beyond Halo 2? There is no official word, but expect the biggest sellers and fan favorites to make the cut. Despite whatever the number of supported games on day one, expect more support to be added via XBox LIVE.
THE 360 SYSTEM
Damn it, I want the “premium” package but it only comes with HD cables and I don’t have a HDTV. Why are they making me buy separate cables?
They’re not. The Xbox 360 HD-AV Cable outputs component or composite video. In addition to having RCA audio ouputs, there is also a Toslink-style optical output for digital audio.
Does the “premium” package come with the Media Center remote that has a 10-key pad or the shorter version that only controls the XBox 360?
The non-10-key version of the remote, but even the “shrimp” remote will work with a Windows Media Center PC. In fact you don’t need a remote at all to use the Media Center capabilities of the XBox 360; as a regular controller will do the trick.
The controllers cost $85 f*cking bucks once you factor in the plug-and-play kit and a battery pack!
No they don’t. Wireless controllers cost $50 bucks and will work just fine with regular AA batteries, or even a set of Walmart branded rechargeable batteries. The plug-and-play kit comes with a battery pack & USB charging cable, and only costs $19.99. Extra battery packs are $11.99, and all battery packs are rated for 30hrs according to marketing pamphlets.
Why is the Wireless Network Adaptor so expensive?
You mean, why is the adaptor the same price as the Xbox wireless network adaptor? Unknown, but it is a very small package wrapped in a cute white shell and that seems to have worked well for Apple and its products. It isn’t a required purchase however, as you can still plug in an Ethernet cable or just buy one of the many non-Microsoft branded wireless adaptors that currently hover around $70 on average.
Isn’t Microsoft increasing their expenses by having to produce two different kinds of units?
No. Other than the chrome disc tray, both the “premium” and “core” XBox 360s are identical in every way and shape… because, at some point in the future even “premium” users might want to upgrade to a new hard drive that features more disc space.
After having seen all the talk and chest beating in the last few days I thought I’d put up a F.A.Q. like post that will clear up some of the more common misconceptions that people seem to have about the XBox 360.
XBOX LIVE
Will I be able to use Xbox LIVE if I don't have a hard drive?
You won't need a hard drive to enjoy all the benefits of Xbox Live Silver and Gold with the Core System, but you will at least need a Memory Unit in order to save your Gamer Profile. If you plan on downloading a lot of content (vehicles, maps, game trailers, demos, etc) you'll want to get a hard drive.
Will I be able to download content from Xbox Live without a hard drive?
Yes, with the 64MB MU you will be able to download content. However, gamers that choose to download lots of content will want to get a hard drive for capacity and flexibility.
Damn it, without a hard drive standard in every box developers won’t be making any downloadable content.
Wrong. If Wipeout Pure on the PSP can get downloadable content that fits on the standard pack-in 32MB memory card, then even “core” users with a 64MB card will be able to enjoy downloadable game content.
Why are they making me buy another Xbox Live subscription?
They aren’t. Even if you signup with LIVE the day before the 360 ships you’ll be able to transfer your account over for a 360 Gold Live membership.
Is XBox LIVE Marketplace just an excuse to nickel and dime us on stuff that should’ve been in the game anyway?
In the history of LIVE only a few games have been guilty of using XBox LIVE to unlock stuff already on the game disc (We’re looking at you Return to Castle Wolfeinstein.) But to think of Marketplace as just a place to buy micro-transaction stuff is wrong. The word “marketplace” is a poor way of saying “LIVE Download Center.”
Microsoft has already shown the ability to stream/download everything from music and game trailers; to the ability to download game demos. No more buying OXM at $9 bucks a pop whenever there’s a must-play demo on the disc. There’s even word that downloadable (with a fee) TV shows are planned.
What kind of XBox LIVE is included in both the “premium” and “core” packages?
Both come with free LIVE Silver accounts, which gets you full access to the Marketplace (and all game related downloadable content) and any special “free” multiplayer weekends when they arise. Also, BOTH packages come with a 30-day XBox LIVE Gold trial subscription which gets you everything Silver packs plus… all the multiplayer gaming your eyes can handle.
Can I enjoy XBox LIVE Arcade (which is built in) without a hard drive?
Yes, though you are limited in how many games you can buy/download.
THE HARD DRIVE
Developers won’t take advantage of the hard drive if it’s not standard!
Wrong. Developers such as Bethesda have already gone on record saying that while Oblivion doesn’t require a hard drive, “We would recommend you get one if you have the means […]” Expect many games to use the hard drive for caching files if it is detected, or quick checkpoint saves.
Why is the hard drive so expensive?
The hard drive accessory isn’t your ordinary hard drive, it’s actually a laptop drive which makes it easy to carry over to a friends house! Oh, and because Microsoft is trying to recoup some of the costs of other parts that are being given to you well below cost (like the 360’s videocard). The high price may also be a way to make the “premium” pack look like a great deal. In any case the higher price seems to be here to stay.
Without a hard drive I won’t be able to enjoy custom soundtracks!
Wrong. Custom soundtracks aren’t driven by the game but rather by the X360 OS. Using the system itself you can stream music off any USB compatible device (or a networked PC) and play said music with any game. A recent demonstration of Kameo was punctuated with the developer pressing the guide button and starting song off of his connected iPod.
Is there anything good about the hard drive being detachable?
Yes, now if you suffer a hard drive failure you can just swap out a new one without having to send in your whole system for a repair. If you want to take a saved game profile over to a friends house but don’t have a memory card you can just unhook the hard drive and put it in your pocket.
BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY
Will I be able to play XBox games on my new 360?
Yes, if you have a hard drive attached to your 360. Even though it doesn't ship with a hard drive, the "core" package can do BC if you attach a hard drive to it.
What games will be supported?
Beyond Halo 2? There is no official word, but expect the biggest sellers and fan favorites to make the cut. Despite whatever the number of supported games on day one, expect more support to be added via XBox LIVE.
THE 360 SYSTEM
Damn it, I want the “premium” package but it only comes with HD cables and I don’t have a HDTV. Why are they making me buy separate cables?
They’re not. The Xbox 360 HD-AV Cable outputs component or composite video. In addition to having RCA audio ouputs, there is also a Toslink-style optical output for digital audio.
Does the “premium” package come with the Media Center remote that has a 10-key pad or the shorter version that only controls the XBox 360?
The non-10-key version of the remote, but even the “shrimp” remote will work with a Windows Media Center PC. In fact you don’t need a remote at all to use the Media Center capabilities of the XBox 360; as a regular controller will do the trick.
The controllers cost $85 f*cking bucks once you factor in the plug-and-play kit and a battery pack!
No they don’t. Wireless controllers cost $50 bucks and will work just fine with regular AA batteries, or even a set of Walmart branded rechargeable batteries. The plug-and-play kit comes with a battery pack & USB charging cable, and only costs $19.99. Extra battery packs are $11.99, and all battery packs are rated for 30hrs according to marketing pamphlets.
Why is the Wireless Network Adaptor so expensive?
You mean, why is the adaptor the same price as the Xbox wireless network adaptor? Unknown, but it is a very small package wrapped in a cute white shell and that seems to have worked well for Apple and its products. It isn’t a required purchase however, as you can still plug in an Ethernet cable or just buy one of the many non-Microsoft branded wireless adaptors that currently hover around $70 on average.
Isn’t Microsoft increasing their expenses by having to produce two different kinds of units?
No. Other than the chrome disc tray, both the “premium” and “core” XBox 360s are identical in every way and shape… because, at some point in the future even “premium” users might want to upgrade to a new hard drive that features more disc space.
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ilovebeez était une IA humaine qui était prisoniere dans un systeme controler par les covenant et qui a reussie a contourner le systeme pour prevenir les humains de l'attaque imminente des covenant sur terre.le_mec_de_samus a écrit :Pas con mais bon comme l'annonce du prix de la Xbox 360 n'a pas reçu un si mauvais acceuil, je vois pas pourquoi Microsoft baisserai le prix ...totti10 a écrit :autre spéculation: attention à prendre avec de grosses pincettes! je connais de plus en plus la stratégie de M$ et au vu des derniers événements (une xbox dévoilée par le fils d'un employé, dees images de la console sur le net avant la présentation de la console...) j'ai l'impression que ces prix ne seront pas ceux au moment de la sortie.
je m'explique: je pense que M$ a mis des prix assez hauts alors qu'on tablait plus sur 250€ pour une version light et 350€ pour une version HF surtout aprés les propos d'une ponte de M$ qui disait que les prix seraient trés attractifs. Pourquoi mettre des prix élevés? d'abord pour voir si la console recevrait un bon echo du public et donc pour pouvoir la vendre plus chère. si le retour est mauvais, ils peuvent toujours baisser le prix. nintendo l'avait fait avec le cube en europe donc ce n'est pas impossible.
je n'y mettrais pas ma main à couper mais...
Sinon I love bees c'est quoi ? Ca a pas un rapport avec les pubs sur les insectes qui chantaient lors de la sortie de la Xbox 360 ? Car bon là je comprend quedal avec vos i love bees, vos arbres, vos lapins et vos comptes à rebours
Enfin bref c'est vachement bien foutue mais trop complique si tu arrivais en chemin.
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et donc à 50€ pour les grosses ventes chez amazon, alapage,...!!! ^^B4G a écrit :Prix des jeux de lancement Microsoft pour la Xbox 360
Prenez-en de la graine vils éditeurs-tiers ! Bouh !
Après avoir dévoilé avec fracas le prix de lancement de la Xbox 360 et de toute sa panoplie d'accessoires, voilà que Microsoft poursuit sa lancée businessifiante en annonçant le prix de ses jeux édités par Microsoft Games Studios qui seront directement disponibles en même temps que la console :
- Dead or Alive 4 : 59,99€
- Kameo : Elements of Power : 59,99€
- Perfect Dark Zero : 59,99€
- Project Gotham Racing 3 : 59,99€
Et voilà ma p'tite dame ! Des prix qui sont donc égaux à ceux pratiqués actuellement ! Ca fait t'y donc bien plaisir ! Et ça fait encore plus plaisir quand on sait que les éditeurs-tiers font un taulé monstre pour vouloir proposer des jeux à 69,99€, rien que ça. Espérons qu'un terrain d'entente soit trouvé (avec ou sans violence à base de battes cloutées) pour que ces derniers s'allignent sur la base de Microsoft.
Peut-être que si on leur demande gentillement avec plein de "s'il vous plaît" et de "par pitié" dedans...
elles sont où les pleureuses qui croyaient que M$ et $ony allaient mettre leurs jeux à 70€ alors que la rèv' aurait eu des jeux à 60€? hum...
je pense que les critiques de bigN et certains professionnels ont contraint M$ de laisser à 60€! merci à eux! ^^
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Euh 60€, Microsoft est gentil ? Boarf quand même, on peut dire que c'est pas une revolution comme prix. 70€ pour les éditeurs tiers...
Sur amazon avec un peu de chance a 55€ les M$ et le reste a 65€, ce qui reste cher POUR le lancement (et donc le prix) de la console.
Sur amazon avec un peu de chance a 55€ les M$ et le reste a 65€, ce qui reste cher POUR le lancement (et donc le prix) de la console.
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Link52 a écrit :Euh 60€, Microsoft est gentil ? Boarf quand même, on peut dire que c'est pas une revolution comme prix. 70€ pour les éditeurs tiers...
Sur amazon avec un peu de chance a 55€ les M$ et le reste a 65€, ce qui reste cher POUR le lancement (et donc le prix) de la console.
les jeux de cette génération sont à 60€...j'ai bien payé 1080° 60€ sur amazon!
donc on aura aussi des jeux 360 à 50€ sur amazon!
pour les éditeurs, c'est eux qui décident mais déjà EA a dit qu'ils sortiront leur jeux à 60€
edit: à noter que la version est premium de la 360 est la meilleure JV d'amazon... qui parlait de flop?
edit2: euh elle veut rien dire ma précédente phrase...en clair ça donne:
à noter que la version premium de la 360 est la meilleure vente JV d'amazon... qui parlait de flop?
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Moi, j'aimerais vraiment féliciter Microsoft.
C'est un coup de maitre cette Xbox 360.
Second coup de maitre la sortir cette année, alors que tout le monde s'ennui avec les générations actuelles de bécane, que les nouveautés à la fois sur PS2 et GC vont être insipides. Ils vont être seuls pendant la période des fêtes et ça va vraiment les aider.
Troisième coup de maitre, deux versions de console : Une premium pour les Hardcore Gamers, une version basique pour les joueurs plus occasionnels.
Non vraiment, je tire mon chapeau à Microsoft, et j'en profite également pour faire un pied de nez à Nintendo et ses, sa pardon, révolution :-S
C'est un coup de maitre cette Xbox 360.
Second coup de maitre la sortir cette année, alors que tout le monde s'ennui avec les générations actuelles de bécane, que les nouveautés à la fois sur PS2 et GC vont être insipides. Ils vont être seuls pendant la période des fêtes et ça va vraiment les aider.
Troisième coup de maitre, deux versions de console : Une premium pour les Hardcore Gamers, une version basique pour les joueurs plus occasionnels.
Non vraiment, je tire mon chapeau à Microsoft, et j'en profite également pour faire un pied de nez à Nintendo et ses, sa pardon, révolution :-S
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C'est les déductions de Franck, le boss du site, d'après ce qu'il a entendu dire ici et là lors des différents événements tels que le GC etc...le_mec_de_samus a écrit :Le 24 novembre tu dis ? C'est presque sur ?
Date de sortie de la Xbox 360
Le 27 Aout 2005 à 22h42 par Franck
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Microsoft a annoncé lors de la Game Convention les packs Xbox 360 ainsi que les tarifs, mais une inconnue demeure, la date de sortie. De nombreuses rumeurs et spéculations fusent mais cela reste incertain.
Après avoir recoupé de nombreuses informations données ici et là, nous pouvons affirmer que la Xbox 360 sortira en Europe le 24 novembre prochain.
Une date à retenir et à noter sur son agenda !
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moi je vais attendre pour la x360 avant de me l'acheter (surtout pas le jour de la sortie !), je pense que j'attendrai entre 6 et 12 moi 
c'est vrai quoi, si on regarde la xbox, elle a débuté à 475€ (14 mars 2002), puis 299€ (26 avril 2002), puis 249€ (30 aout 2002), puis 199€ (25 mars 2003), et de nos jours, 149€.... moi j'ai fait mon choix, et se sera la patience..
c'est vrai quoi, si on regarde la xbox, elle a débuté à 475€ (14 mars 2002), puis 299€ (26 avril 2002), puis 249€ (30 aout 2002), puis 199€ (25 mars 2003), et de nos jours, 149€.... moi j'ai fait mon choix, et se sera la patience..
Il ne faut pas prendre les gens pour des cons, Mais il ne faut pas oublier qu'ils le sont !
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